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	<title>Comments on: Cite NSTP (NST &amp; Berita Harian) for prejudice and subjudice</title>
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	<description>Malaysia's two foremost bloggers have been sued by the NST. YOU could be next!</description>
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		<title>By: shar101</title>
		<link>http://walkwithus.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/cite-nstp-nst-berita-harian-for-prejudice-and-subjudice/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>shar101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks,

Perhaps it would be better if we were privy to the details contained in both suits which is now available at:

http://politikus.xparte.com/rockysoc.pdf
http://politikus.xparte.com/jeffsoc.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks,</p>
<p>Perhaps it would be better if we were privy to the details contained in both suits which is now available at:</p>
<p><a href="http://politikus.xparte.com/rockysoc.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://politikus.xparte.com/rockysoc.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://politikus.xparte.com/jeffsoc.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://politikus.xparte.com/jeffsoc.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: asri</title>
		<link>http://walkwithus.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/cite-nstp-nst-berita-harian-for-prejudice-and-subjudice/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>asri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when Libra wrote, &quot;&lt;i&gt;I would suggest, like Rocky, Jeff should apply to strike out the suit on the same grounds sited by Rocky. He has strong grounds to set aside the earlier injunction&lt;/i&gt;...&quot; he didn&#039;t tell us the whole story.

you see, when &quot;&lt;i&gt;Rocky’s lawyers who will be meeting the judge in chambers on Jan 29&lt;/i&gt;&quot; the &lt;b&gt;burden of proof still lies with the plaintiffs&lt;/b&gt; ... in other words, the learned Judge was not too convinced that the evidence that have been brought before him thus far were indeed defamatory... there was still reasonable doubt... hence no injunction.

so, the onus is on the plaintiffs to provide further evidence to support their claims.

however, in the other case when the two parties meet on Feb 30 the &lt;b&gt;burden of proof lies with the defense&lt;/b&gt; because the learned Judge found the evidence that were brought before him were indeed defamatory... hence, the injunction.

now, the onus is on the defense to prove otherwise.

there you go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when Libra wrote, &#8220;<i>I would suggest, like Rocky, Jeff should apply to strike out the suit on the same grounds sited by Rocky. He has strong grounds to set aside the earlier injunction</i>&#8230;&#8221; he didn&#8217;t tell us the whole story.</p>
<p>you see, when &#8220;<i>Rocky’s lawyers who will be meeting the judge in chambers on Jan 29</i>&#8221; the <b>burden of proof still lies with the plaintiffs</b> &#8230; in other words, the learned Judge was not too convinced that the evidence that have been brought before him thus far were indeed defamatory&#8230; there was still reasonable doubt&#8230; hence no injunction.</p>
<p>so, the onus is on the plaintiffs to provide further evidence to support their claims.</p>
<p>however, in the other case when the two parties meet on Feb 30 the <b>burden of proof lies with the defense</b> because the learned Judge found the evidence that were brought before him were indeed defamatory&#8230; hence, the injunction.</p>
<p>now, the onus is on the defense to prove otherwise.</p>
<p>there you go!</p>
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		<title>By: asri</title>
		<link>http://walkwithus.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/cite-nstp-nst-berita-harian-for-prejudice-and-subjudice/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>asri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Johnleemk...

so, what do you make of this then: “&lt;i&gt;They cannot hide or take advantage of a situation and do something against the law,” &lt;b&gt;he said when asked to respond to the suit being taken by the New Straits Times Press (M) Bhd, its deputy chairman Datuk Kalimullah Hassan, chief executive officer Datuk Syed Faizal Syed Albar and former group editor Brendan Pereira against Ahirudin Attan and Ooi Chuan Aun&lt;/b&gt; over their web postings.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

again, I say this, it&#039;s not what the PM said &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; but what was &quot;spun.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Johnleemk&#8230;</p>
<p>so, what do you make of this then: “<i>They cannot hide or take advantage of a situation and do something against the law,” <b>he said when asked to respond to the suit being taken by the New Straits Times Press (M) Bhd, its deputy chairman Datuk Kalimullah Hassan, chief executive officer Datuk Syed Faizal Syed Albar and former group editor Brendan Pereira against Ahirudin Attan and Ooi Chuan Aun</b> over their web postings.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>again, I say this, it&#8217;s not what the PM said <i>per se</i> but what was &#8220;spun.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: 无聊小站 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 博客停止了，报纸呢？</title>
		<link>http://walkwithus.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/cite-nstp-nst-berita-harian-for-prejudice-and-subjudice/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>无聊小站 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 博客停止了，报纸呢？</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 建议各位可以读读这篇。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 建议各位可以读读这篇。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bengodomon</title>
		<link>http://walkwithus.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/cite-nstp-nst-berita-harian-for-prejudice-and-subjudice/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>bengodomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: Bernama chairman is Annuar Zaini, not Zaini Annuar.

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/lembaga_pengelola.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: Bernama chairman is Annuar Zaini, not Zaini Annuar.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bernama.com/bernama/lembaga_pengelola.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bernama.com/bernama/lembaga_pengelola.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: johnleemk</title>
		<link>http://walkwithus.wordpress.com/2007/01/27/cite-nstp-nst-berita-harian-for-prejudice-and-subjudice/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>johnleemk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 06:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, quick English lesson: when you refer to a particular individual or group using a general term, you prefix the general term with the particle &quot;the&quot;. Therefore, if I want to talk about Jeff and Rocky, I would call them *the* bloggers, not just bloggers (which would refer to all bloggers, and not just Jeff and Rocky). If Pak Lah had made a clear reference to *the* bloggers, would the NSTP not have jumped on this and mentioned this? Nope - instead they had to work with a general comment referring to bloggers in general.

And despite the posting&#039;s title, the meat of the article attacks Abdullah and not just the NSTP/Media Prima. The fact is, Abdullah doesn&#039;t seem to have made any references to specific bloggers (not even &quot;some bloggers&quot;, which would be an obvious implicit reference to Jeff and Rocky). It&#039;s impossible to positively conclude that he&#039;s accusing any specific bloggers of defamation or sedition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, quick English lesson: when you refer to a particular individual or group using a general term, you prefix the general term with the particle &#8220;the&#8221;. Therefore, if I want to talk about Jeff and Rocky, I would call them *the* bloggers, not just bloggers (which would refer to all bloggers, and not just Jeff and Rocky). If Pak Lah had made a clear reference to *the* bloggers, would the NSTP not have jumped on this and mentioned this? Nope &#8211; instead they had to work with a general comment referring to bloggers in general.</p>
<p>And despite the posting&#8217;s title, the meat of the article attacks Abdullah and not just the NSTP/Media Prima. The fact is, Abdullah doesn&#8217;t seem to have made any references to specific bloggers (not even &#8220;some bloggers&#8221;, which would be an obvious implicit reference to Jeff and Rocky). It&#8217;s impossible to positively conclude that he&#8217;s accusing any specific bloggers of defamation or sedition.</p>
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		<title>By: Repeatedly, NST and Abdullah prejudice again &#171; Walk With Us</title>
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		<dc:creator>Repeatedly, NST and Abdullah prejudice again &#171; Walk With Us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sun 28 Jan 2007 Repeatedly, NST and Abdullah prejudice&#160;again Posted by Clerk-of-Works under Court Proceedings , Campaigns &amp; Events&#160;  ANALYSIS. Yesterday, we alerted you on why The NST and Berita Harian, both subsidiaries of The NSTP, should be cited for contempt of court. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sun 28 Jan 2007 Repeatedly, NST and Abdullah prejudice&nbsp;again Posted by Clerk-of-Works under Court Proceedings , Campaigns &amp; Events&nbsp;  ANALYSIS. Yesterday, we alerted you on why The NST and Berita Harian, both subsidiaries of The NSTP, should be cited for contempt of court. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnleemk,

&quot;He didn’t say “bloggers have used the internet to escape the law” or even what would clearly be an implicit specific reference to Jeff/Rocky such as “some bloggers have committed defamation”. All he did was say that the law applies to bloggers - not an unreasonable thing to say.&quot;

Actually reading the entire article, &quot;they&quot; or &quot;mereke&quot; refers to Jeff and Rocky. Although, it was not said in a direct mode, the meaning did imply the &quot;bloggers&quot; (as the case refer to Jeff and Rocky) is not responsible and wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnleemk,</p>
<p>&#8220;He didn’t say “bloggers have used the internet to escape the law” or even what would clearly be an implicit specific reference to Jeff/Rocky such as “some bloggers have committed defamation”. All he did was say that the law applies to bloggers &#8211; not an unreasonable thing to say.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually reading the entire article, &#8220;they&#8221; or &#8220;mereke&#8221; refers to Jeff and Rocky. Although, it was not said in a direct mode, the meaning did imply the &#8220;bloggers&#8221; (as the case refer to Jeff and Rocky) is not responsible and wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Man Cho @ Apeed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Man Cho @ Apeed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for uinfluencing the judiciary (non-subtly too!) Dolla has already done it before. Remember his asking the AG to check the status of Rayyappan while the Syariah court is still in deliberation as to whether Rayyappan was or was not a muslim.

Look what happened next. the Jab Agama Islam shamelessly withdrew the case, the official rag headlines  (again very insensitive of them might as well put score one for us Christian) &quot;Rayyapan can NOW rest in peace&quot;.

What&#039;s to prevent him to not repeat the influencing?

At least do it quitely and behind the scene rather than this smack in the face of independence of the judiciary.

PS: I don&#039;t see the good ol Bar running around like headless chicklen crying &quot;Executive Intrusion&quot; and &quot;Judicial Indepedence&quot; but then their chief had more pressing matters then I suppose.

Its all a whole lot of bollocks, shits and shitheads, and we are stuck in the quagmire of this guy having a sense of decency to account for all the complaints against.

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CARES?

DIDNT CARE FOR THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS WHOSE LIFE WERE DISRUPTED BY HUGE FLOODINGS.

DIDNT CARE FOR THOSE PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE WHEN THE PETROL PRICES WENT UP 30 F$%8KING CENTS.

DIDNT CARE WHEN HE MAKES BLATANT BOO BOOS IN PRIME NEWS ITEMS.

DONT CARE, DONT CARE, DONT CARE

WHY SHOULD HE CARE NOW?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for uinfluencing the judiciary (non-subtly too!) Dolla has already done it before. Remember his asking the AG to check the status of Rayyappan while the Syariah court is still in deliberation as to whether Rayyappan was or was not a muslim.</p>
<p>Look what happened next. the Jab Agama Islam shamelessly withdrew the case, the official rag headlines  (again very insensitive of them might as well put score one for us Christian) &#8220;Rayyapan can NOW rest in peace&#8221;.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s to prevent him to not repeat the influencing?</p>
<p>At least do it quitely and behind the scene rather than this smack in the face of independence of the judiciary.</p>
<p>PS: I don&#8217;t see the good ol Bar running around like headless chicklen crying &#8220;Executive Intrusion&#8221; and &#8220;Judicial Indepedence&#8221; but then their chief had more pressing matters then I suppose.</p>
<p>Its all a whole lot of bollocks, shits and shitheads, and we are stuck in the quagmire of this guy having a sense of decency to account for all the complaints against.</p>
<p>WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CARES?</p>
<p>DIDNT CARE FOR THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS WHOSE LIFE WERE DISRUPTED BY HUGE FLOODINGS.</p>
<p>DIDNT CARE FOR THOSE PAYING THROUGH THE NOSE WHEN THE PETROL PRICES WENT UP 30 F$%8KING CENTS.</p>
<p>DIDNT CARE WHEN HE MAKES BLATANT BOO BOOS IN PRIME NEWS ITEMS.</p>
<p>DONT CARE, DONT CARE, DONT CARE</p>
<p>WHY SHOULD HE CARE NOW?</p>
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